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inactiveTopic Disney Losing Kay & Team
started 6/14/2001; 10:55:04 PM - last post 6/15/2001; 5:31:17 AM
Chris Rathman - Disney Losing Kay & Team  blueArrow
6/14/2001; 10:55:04 PM (reads: 788, responses: 2)
Disney Losing Kay & Team
Seems like Microsoft is the only company that is willing to spend a significant amount of money on basic R&D into programming languages these days. The Disney/Squeak connection has always seemed to be tenuous at best.

The good news is that Squeak is Open Source, so Kay and company can carry on their research without having to start from scratch. I wonder, though, whether the move will result in a more commercial orientation for the language and away from it's mostly experimental nature?
Posted to general by Chris Rathman on 6/14/01; 10:57:19 PM

Ehud Lamm - Re: Disney Losing Kay & Team  blueArrow
6/15/2001; 4:52:11 AM (reads: 843, responses: 0)
This caused a semi-Interesting thread on comp.lang.smalltalk

Ehud Lamm - Re: Disney Losing Kay & Team  blueArrow
6/15/2001; 5:31:17 AM (reads: 824, responses: 0)
Are the things being done in Microsoft basic research? I am not being sarcastic, I really want to know.

Most of what I see seems closely related to products and technologies Microsoft sells. This isn't basic reseach. It is applied research, which is certainly worthwhile and can be interesting and fruitful. Indeed, perhaps that's what is really needed to bring PL research ideas to a larger audience.

In fact, though I am no fan of VB, I think VB and COM/ActiveX/OLE taught more people about components than all the academic papers on these subjects taken together. Smae thing with MFC and application frameworks.

Still, basic research is, of course, important and crucial. The way I see it most companies these days don't do it (and the state of the economy wouldn't lead you to be too optimistic about the near future).

There was a change of approach here, from real R&D divisions (think the golden days of PARC) to more focused smaller-scale research. Only truly huge coorporation can support theoretical basic research.