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Slow News Day: How About Some Benchmarks?

No one seems to be posting much today. Therefore, to help generate sufficient bilious humours for an invigorating discussion, I suggest all interested parties visit the revamped "The Great Computer Language Shootout" to see the current scores. Now at last we can have meaningful, objective measurements to decide what the best programming language is! :-) Posted to fun by Brent Fulgham on 6/11/04; 12:39:56 PM Discuss (2 responses)

Perl - Periodic Table of the Operators
Perhaps PL needs to branch out from the Maths and into the realm of the hard Sciences. Chemistry is not a bad place to start. :-) Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 5/27/04; 9:48:36 AM Discuss

Nice collection of quotes
Use the navigation bar on the left to access different topics. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 5/23/04; 3:46:32 AM Discuss (1 response)

Enjoy the Soundness
All I ever wanted, all I ever needed, is here in ML... MP3 (ie sound) file at link. From the CSE Band via the eclectic Computational Complexity Web Log. Apologies for two fun posts in two days, but some of these had me laughing out loud. Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 5/2/04; 6:08:22 AM Discuss (2 responses)

Programming in dc
Anything is possible, if only we dream... (from the concatenative list - hope the url stays current as it looks susipiciouly like a dhcp address) Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 5/1/04; 7:00:17 AM Discuss (3 responses)

Fractal Music (and a Personal Introduction)

As a follow up to Chris's recent post The Sound of Mathematics , here is a little Java code which will generate midi music in real time, based on the so-called logistic equation, the algorithm being x[i+1] = k*x[i]*(1-x[i]). Now I should introduce myself and thank Ehud for letting me join the editors of LtU, it's a real privilege to be a small part of the programming languages weblog. Hi folks! My name is Danny, and I'm a Semantic Web developer - my posts here will generally be on that subject. Rather predictably I have a blog of my own, but for SemWeb-related material on a blog I'd recommend Planet RDF, which aggregates material from various other weblogs on the topic. Thanks Ehud! Posted to fun by Danny Ayers on 4/16/04; 2:40:24 AM Discuss (4 responses)

The Sound of Mathematics

Since Goedel, Escher, Bach seems to be relevant to programming languages, I figure we'd concentrate on the musical portion of Ehud's vacation time. :-) This site has GM MIDI files of algorithmic music determined by mathematics and the musical preferences of a human. (page gives me annoying script alerts, but works fine past that point) Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 4/11/04; 9:55:20 AM Discuss (4 responses)

Dating Design Patterns

I suspect most readers are looking forward to the Easter long weekend: time to relax, do odd jobs, and most importantly have some fun. For some of us that will mean long hours spent in pursuit of the opposite sex. Which is where Dating Design Patterns come in. Everything you ever wanted to know, in a geeky format you can understand. Or something. Have fun! Posted to fun by Noel Welsh on 4/8/04; 9:17:46 AM Discuss (16 responses)

April Second...
I am not a great fan of April Fools jokes, but since no one posted anything, and the fun department seems dead, here's a fun item from Eric Gunnerson. I am trying as hard as I can not to link this item to the evolutionary debate going on in the discussion group... Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 4/2/04; 5:36:57 AM Discuss (1 response)

Every Language War Ever
Idiot 1: Your Favorite Language is bad at doing arbitrarily chosen task X, which it was never designed to do. This just happens to be a field in which My Favorite Language excels. Idiot 2: Ah yes, but YFL is bad at doing Y, which MFL is great at. Are we all idiots? ;-) Posted to fun by Dan Shappir on 2/28/04; 12:33:46 PM Discuss (10 responses)

Using SimCity to teach recursion
I was torn between putting this under 'fun' or 'teaching'. Anyway, this seems like kind of a fun way to teach recursion. Virtual people get their own games Human players of The Sims, which gives them control over virtual people, can now have their creations run their own cities full of virtual people. Posted to fun by Patrick Logan on 2/17/04; 4:53:01 PM Discuss (1 response)

100 prisoners and a light bulb

Yes, we have a fun department here on LtU. There are 100 prisoners in solitary cells. There's a central living room with one light bulb; this bulb is initially off. No prisoner can see the light bulb from his or her own cell. Everyday, the warden picks a prisoner equally at random, and that prisoner visits the living room. While there, the prisoner can toggle the bulb if he or she wishes. Also, the prisoner has the option of asserting that all 100 prisoners have been to the living room by now. If this assertion is false, all 100 prisoners are shot. However, if it is indeed true, all prisoners are set free and inducted into MENSA, since the world could always use more smart people. Thus, the assertion should only be made if the prisoner is 100% certain of its validity. The prisoners are allowed to get together one night in the courtyard, to discuss a plan. What plan should they agree on, so that eventually, someone will make a correct assertion? Would you have chosen Python, like this guy here, as the language of choice for playing with this puzzle? Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 12/14/03; 6:54:22 AM Discuss (9 responses)

Black-Scholes in Multiple Languages
You naturally know the Black-Scholes-Merton Nobel Prize formula, but in how many languages? I am not sure this really qualifies as fun, but what the heck... Among the languages you'll find on this web page are Transact SQL, LyME, ColdFusion and even Icon. But don't worry: Haskell is also included Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 10/19/03; 7:35:14 AM Discuss (3 responses)

Trivia: Programming Language Naming Patterns
A fun list of etymologies of programming language names. I am not sure all are correct (perl is more than once). Quick: Do you know the origin of the names Oberon and Miranda? How about Lua? Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 9/9/03; 1:29:53 AM Discuss (11 responses)

Quiz: Language inventor or serial killer?
A pretty silly Flash based quiz that I am afraid LtU readers might enjoy. You are shown ten mug shots, and have to decide whether they belong to a programming language god or to a well known serial killer. I got 8 out of 10 Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 8/13/03; 6:03:31 AM Discuss (4 responses)

ICFP 2003

Next weekend (that being the weekend after this weekend)! For those who don't have that much free time, but do have a good supply of coffee, don't forget the 24 hour lightning division. I did search, and was surprised to find no reference here on this year's contest, so apologies if I missed something Is the picture a clue? Are Ferrari really sponsoring a competition to find a new AI for their lead driver? Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 6/18/03; 1:21:32 PM Discuss (4 responses)

TPK Algorithm in Different Programming Languages
The TPK algorithm reads in an array of 11 values, applies a function to each value, and then writes the result in reverse order. It serves just to illustrate some of the usual actions that an imperative programming language must perform. And now, an Intercal version! Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 6/7/03; 10:34:30 AM Discuss (22 responses)

A Hacker's Assistant

Aha! is a program of the superoptimizer type that can be used to find short branch-free code sequences for certain simple functions such as the absolute value function, a comparison predicate such as and swapping the two low-order bits of a register. It works by exhaustive search over programs of a given length. As a practical matter the length is limited to four instructions for most machines. It can be fun to play around with this program. A perhaps more subtle thing to notice is that the function to be optimized is written in C, and the superoptimizer relies on the C compiler to compile it correctly. The optimizer itself doesn't understand C, nor does it have to. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 5/11/03; 2:15:43 AM Discuss (1 response)

80x86 ASM for ASP.NET

via Slashdot Lately we have been swamped with Bill Gate's new .NET vision. Once again even respectable people are crying out that C++ and assembler programmers will become extinct dinosaurs. My reaction to that is: "It's not fair!" Why are they always picking on assembler programmers? We don't do a lot of harm! Just because we like to have total freedom and like to be close to our hardware doesn't make us bad people. Go pick on someone else (like LISP programmers. I don't like them). Frankly, I was getting a little tired of this whole discussion, so I decided to do something about it - by bringing x86 assembler programming into the .NET age. Well, at least to allow ASP.NET pages to be written in 80386 assembler. A worthwhile effort if ever there was one! Posted to fun by Dan Shappir on 4/30/03; 12:13:51 AM Discuss

Dissecting Unlambda Birds

This web page is actually a combination of three things. First, I tried to document the various Combinator Birds that I found in To Mock a Mockingbird and To Dissect a Mockingbird. Second, I made a revised Combinator Calculator that is lifted from the Combinatory Logic Tutorial with modifications to support the birds beyond the Starling and Kestrel. Finally, I wrote a Partial Unlambda Interpreter that is a stripped down version of the Unlambda Programming Language Note: That the two programs do require that JavaScript be enabled. I'm in the process of moving my pages to a website that doesn't have the annoyance of popups, but you'll have to live with it for the time being. BTW: Consider this punishment for not answering my question about the Jay Birds. :-) Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 4/19/03; 1:43:27 PM Discuss (2 responses)

Yahoo! Store Switches Back to Lisp

This from ll1-discuss. No URL as its so new it hasn't made it into the archive. In a move which surprised industry analysts, Yahoo, Inc. has confirmed that the software which runs Yahoo Store, which was in the process of being converted from its original implementation in the computer language lisp to the C++ language, will be converted back into lisp as soon as possible. A Yahoo spokesman, who requested anonymity, had this to say: "Boy, that was really embarrassing. See, the reason we wanted to get rid of lisp is that none of us could read any of the code because of all those silly parentheses. But just last week, we found a text editor (called "emacs", I think) which has this amazing feature -- it actually can highlight the opening parenthesis that corresponds to a closing parenthesis. That just blew us all away. Once we had that killer feature, we knew that it was in our long-term interests to go back to lisp -- it's much more flexible than C++. Unfortunately, we'd already converted everything to C++ already... if any lisp programmers are reading this, you might want to fax us your resume." The spokesman went on to say that he'd heard great things about something called "closures", which he believed were a way to seal code against bugs or something like that. *cough* Posted to fun by Noel Welsh on 4/1/03; 3:41:28 AM Discuss (4 responses)

NewCode, a secure PL

via Slashdot Dubbed NewCode, the language promises to revolutionise software development, as the language makes it impossible to express a security vulnerability in a program's source code. "We were inspired by Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, in which there is a language called NewSpeak which made it impossible to express political dissent," says the group's leader, Julia Jones. "NewCode was developed with similar goals, but a different focus. This looks very interesting! Posted to fun by Dan Shappir on 4/1/03; 1:04:07 AM Discuss (3 responses)

Whitespace

via Slashdot Most modern programming languages do not consider white space characters (spaces, tabs and newlines) syntax, ignoring them, as if they weren't there. We consider this to be a gross injustice to these perfectly friendly members of the character set. Should they be ignored, just because they are invisible? Whitespace is a language that seeks to redress the balance. Any non whitespace characters are ignored; only spaces, tabs and newlines are considered syntax. This sounds like a really useful PL. Posted to fun by Dan Shappir on 4/1/03; 12:53:38 AM Discuss (1 response)

Esoteric computer languages

Anyone who hasn't seen this already should check it out. This site is sort of a clearing house for bizarre programming languages, designed either to annoy the user or to explore odd programming paradigms (often both). My personal favorites are Unlambda (functional programming in hell) and Befunge (two-dimensional control constructs, anyone?). Another highly amusing language is called hq9+, which is, oddly, not linked from the above site. If you like this sort of thing you should also check out this site. I guess this is a classic case of people with way too much time on their hands ;-) Posted to fun by Michael Vanier on 1/14/03; 1:50:17 PM Discuss (2 responses)

APL Crosswords
Darius wants to know if similar things were done in other languages. I really don't know. APL sure does separate the men from the boys... Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 11/30/02; 11:57:13 AM Discuss (3 responses)

The Parable of the Languages
This is an amusing little story that I found through slashdot. Posted to fun by Michael Vanier on 10/12/02; 2:22:58 AM Discuss

How to tell your personality type from your code

(via David Weinberger) Code and Personality. How to tell your personality type from your code. Kevin Marks & Maf Vosburgh People with different personalities write the same code different ways. Unfortunately, not all these ways actually work, but people can learn to change... This is more about software engineering than about programming languages, but it does tell you something about designing languages. If you are an optimist, C is not the language for you. Or maybe: If you still use C, you really are an optimist... Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 9/26/02; 4:47:42 AM Discuss (9 responses)

Dr. Seuss on Parser Monads
An experiment in rote memorization. Posted to fun by jon fernquest on 9/10/02; 12:09:59 AM Discuss (2 responses)

ICFP 2002 programming contest task posted
It's a game where robots compete with each other to deliver packages in a virtual world. Posted to fun by Ken Shan on 8/30/02; 2:45:08 PM Discuss

"Spend A Day with .NET" Coding Contest
A different kind of programing contest. The ICFP contest allows you to choose almost any language platform you like in order to solve the assigned programming problem. Here you can decide for yourself what to code, but you must code for .Net Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 8/4/02; 12:58:30 PM Discuss (1 response)

Fifth ICFP Programming Contest
The contest will be held Friday, August 30, 2002 -- Monday, September 2, 2002. The problem hasn't been announced yet, of course, but it's time to start thinking about a team! Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 8/4/02; 1:39:14 AM Discuss

Feng Shui for Standard ML Programmers
"There are several questions which the formalist approach does not answer and cannot answer." [Author, Citeseer] (Note: Citeseer links are useful for tracing papers that cite or are cited by the paper and also getting the paper in different formats.) Posted to fun by jon fernquest on 7/29/02; 12:21:22 AM Discuss

Funny stuff
(via Peter Drayton) The Two Doofuses OR Why Type Safety and the Garbage Collector Really Exist. Take the time to read this. It is funny. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 6/14/02; 8:50:33 AM Discuss (1 response)

Toaster
(via dive into mark) If you select a multitasking, object oriented language that supports multiple inheritance and has a built-in GUI, writing the program will be a snap. Not really about programming languages, but quite funny none the less. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 5/20/02; 11:59:51 AM Discuss

Lingua::Romana::Perligata
This paper describes a Perl module -- Lingua::Romana::Perligata -- that makes it possible to write Perl programs in Latin. The idea is more serious than it seems... Thanks for the link, Jay! Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 3/9/02; 10:52:14 AM Discuss (2 responses)

Funny Flash hack
(via Scripting News) Cool hack (uses JavaScript and Flash). Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 2/9/02; 1:23:26 AM Discuss

Programming Challenge
(via Keith Devens) For the last problem you must know a bit of Lisp. The rest can be done in any language you want. Anyone wants to post cool solutions, in cool languages? Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 2/2/02; 1:16:59 AM Discuss (5 responses)

Sinister Scheme Sample Perplexes Python Porter
(over at WikiWiki) So now you know why C "pointers" should really by called "first-class reified locations with dynamic extent." ;-) Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 1/24/02; 6:00:51 AM Discuss (4 responses)

Beyond Ada: The First Paranoid Programming Language

With the major defence crises of the 1980's - Oliver North, Irangate, etc., it is becoming increasingly obvious that Ada simply lacks the necessary facilities for generating truly paranoid programs. What is needed is a language which is not merely user-indifferent, but totally user-scared: in short, a Paranoid Programming Language. Who could meet the challenge? IBM? No, too neurotic already. DEC? No, VMS was far too paranoid. It fell eventually to your humble editor and his motley crew of hackers to design, implement, debug, y'know, the LOT, the ULTIMATE programming language one cold evening on the way to Alcuin College Bar. So, what features does PPL offer the user? With tongue firmly in cheek, from a discussion of contracts on the LL1 list... Posted to fun by Bryn Keller on 1/11/02; 3:26:55 PM Discuss (1 response)

Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal
(via Duncan's Jotter) This a classic, but I think we haven't linked to it yet. Long live Fortran! Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 12/17/01; 10:38:29 AM Discuss (3 responses)

Lego in PostScript
I was chatting with someone about PostScript, and I wanted to show him this cool example. Cold sweat covered me when I suddenly realized that this was never published in LtU. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 11/25/01; 4:37:38 AM Discuss

History of the biohazard symbol
The only parameters that I set down for them to noodle through were, it had to be unique and something that would be striking enough that it would be remembered. We wanted something that was memorable but meaningless, so we could educate people as to what it means. Practical semiotics... Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 11/20/01; 9:22:57 AM Discuss (1 response)

programming languages with chicken
(via Der Schockwellenreiter) APL: The chicken crosses the road, but nobody else can figure out how you made the chicken do it. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 10/4/01; 9:49:38 AM Discuss (1 response)

Robocode

Robocode is a fun programming game that teaches Java by letting you create Java "Robots," real Java objects that battle it out onscreen against other robots. Robocode, with its snazzy graphics and hyper battles, is similar to a combination of Logo and CoreWars. While playing Robocode, you will learn how to write Java code, how to handle events, how to create inner classes, and more. From an implementation point of view it is interesting to note the Robcode uses a custom security manager to allow custom Java classes written by anyone to run safely. Another site has links to several more pages dedicated to Robocode. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 9/23/01; 12:33:21 PM Discuss

Programming Puns

Long time since we had a fun entry, and some of these made me grin. (The most recent addition to the page is the closest to what I'd call a joke). When thinking of programming langugaes we usually restrict ourselves to thinking about how they are used to describe computation, and forget that like natural languages they can be used to produce puns, word games etc. Some even create poetry and plays in their programming language of choice... Sociolinguistics studies the variety of social functions of language. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 9/2/01; 1:16:47 PM Discuss

Scheme Personality Test
(seen on comp.lang.scheme) Answer ten simple questions (Do you like cats?) and be told what's the Scheme environment for you... More interesting personality test: what can you tell about the personality of the test's creator, from the the way the test matches test answers and Scheme implementations? Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 7/4/01; 10:49:24 AM Discuss

Suitability of APL2 for Music

The above article is an interesting look at the notational conciseness of APL and the correlation that has to musical notation. For those not into APL, there's a plethora of other choices available - see Programming Languages Used for Music. Since one of our contributing editors is on the mend from programming languages, I thought it appropriate to discuss the relationship between programming languages and music languages. As for myself, I've been slowly trying to learn the acoustic finger slicer but I'm no where near good enuf for it to encroach on my hobby in programming languages. :-) Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 6/9/01; 7:56:02 AM Discuss (1 response)

It all depends on what you mean by ($f)

A Perl quiz: what is the difference between my $f = `fortune`; and my ($f) = `fortune`; The answer: a police record. Sounds incredible -- but true. One teenager was not aware of that difference and ended up with a police record. The article lucidly explains what happened. As Oleg puts it: "The accident makes everyone appreciate the context of Perl operators,and the fact that parentheses sometimes can make a huge difference. It's noteworthy that Randal Schwartz seems to acknowledge that Perl is a mess, with no fixed and consistent rules." Thanks, Oleg! Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 6/4/01; 12:23:35 PM Discuss (3 responses)

Programming Competition
I'm posting this because this post is asking for teammates and I thought someone here might be interested (it was suggested here that it would be nice to see how functional programming languages did). NB deadline for entry is today, I believe. Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 5/18/01; 1:13:11 AM Discuss

The VB.NET Hillbillies

Under the category of "for amusement only" lyrics of a song to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies. Seems that all is not well in the land of VB, as MS tries to clean up the language a bit and fit it into the mold of their .NET framework. Of course, coders that rely on the numeric value of truth (as opposed to Not False) probably deserve having their software break (and they probably deserve VB even more). :-) Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 5/14/01; 1:36:29 AM Discuss

99 Bottles: Take one down...

For some inexplicable reason, Tim Robinson's 99 Bottles page just disappeared off the net earlier this year. The above is a mirror of the original site as it existed prior to going off the air. There's also an effort to go forward with the page, though it may be too preliminary to judge who will ultimately maintain the site and provide additions. (The original site hasn't really been maintained since '98). Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 5/6/01; 11:56:57 PM Discuss (1 response)

Haskell Simulator of Quantum Computer

Why Quantum Computing, why simulator and why Haskell? The answer to the first question is the standard one. Because Quantum Computing (QC) is out there. Because many, many bright people devote their time to advance the theory and the experiments. Because new papers are being produced on daily basis for the past few years. Because it does not look any more like a meteor about to burn out and die. Because it is a bleeding edge of science and technology. Because it is an intellectual challenge. Looks like great fun. If you don't know your QC from your GC, there are some useful references at the end (some of them to online papers). Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 5/6/01; 1:19:25 PM Discuss

Natural Language Programming
[...]a piece of software that allows you to write a program by keying in what you want it to do in everyday language. It's Friday... :-) Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 4/6/01; 7:28:47 AM Discuss (4 responses)

Test Shows 99.99% of High School Seniors Can't Read Perl

(via elj daily) San Francisco, CA - Recent results from standardized Perl Fluency Test showed that 99.99% of US high school seniors can't read Perl. This disturbing statistic shows that American students are painfully unprepared for life after graduation... ..."Teachers need to start with simple phrases like $RF=~tr/A-Z/a-z/; and work up from there. We really need to start teaching this in first grade if kids are ever going to understand this by high school." Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 4/1/01; 2:08:32 PM Discuss

Lambda Dance
Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 3/27/01; 1:29:24 PM Discuss (1 response)

Vier und Neun
VIER and NEUN represent 4-digit squares, each letter denoting a distinct digit. You are asked to find the value of each, given the further requirement that each uniquely determines the other. [solutions in 21 languages] Posted to fun by andrew cooke on 3/23/01; 12:16:31 AM Discuss

Alan J. Perlis Epigrams
This collection is a classic. Read and ponder... Quite a few epigrams are about programming languages. With some of them I even agree This is a great excuse to advertise our quotations page. If you have interesting quotes, please share them. Use the discussion group to voice your opinions about these quotes. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 3/19/01; 12:23:29 PM Discuss

Perl Paraphernalia
Some pretty curious things you can do with Perl... Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 3/3/01; 11:45:30 PM Discuss

Tech Interview Questions
Almost off topic, but I thought you guys are going to enjoy this. Most questions are not directly related to programming languages, but some are. Any way, it is always fun to exercise our gray matter (and no, I am not refering to the stuff behind your computer ). Fun programming language brain teasers are always welcome around here. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 2/20/01; 8:15:56 AM Discuss

The Esoteric Programming Languages Ring
I just stumbled upon this webring. Seems like something that should appeal to LtU readers. If anyone finds something that merits special attention, let us know! Perhaps we should have a 'quick links' department? Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 2/16/01; 2:58:08 PM Discuss (1 response)

Y Combinator in Ruby
Under the category of recreational computing, Jim Weirich and other CLUG members were discussing Y Combinator implementation in various languages. The example is based upon the factorial function. Among the examples is Ruby, Java, Perl, Scheme, and the Lambda Calculus. Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 2/15/01; 11:08:15 AM Discuss (5 responses)

Larry Wall interview

(via elj.) Larry is asked about Perl's role in the world, and his role in the Perl world. Touches on the sociology of programming languages, a topic mentioned here a few days ago. The interview covers more general issues like opensource vs. free software, and software patents; tough most of the time it is hard to tell if the answers are not tongue in cheek. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 2/12/01; 7:02:25 AM Discuss

SILK - A Playful Blend of Scheme and Java

SILK (Scheme in about 50 K) is a compact Scheme implementation in Java. SILK is a dialect of Scheme (it only partially implements continuations; strings are immutable; it adopts the Java conventions for the syntax and semantics of numbers). SILK is intended as a scripting language for Java. This paper gives an in depth look into the design of SILK. Posted to fun by Ehud Lamm on 2/9/01; 3:58:01 AM Discuss

XML in the technology food chain...

This one from Nicholas Petreley made me laugh, as he sums up: Calling XML a technology bothers me. XML isn't much more than one of those hobbyist Dyno label makers you use to dial up the letters and punch a name into a plastic strip. Ok, so the article is really a plea about why Sun should GPL Java. I don't necessarily agree that Sun can or should GPL the code, but it would be nice if they opened up the definition of the language, VM, and API's. Posted to fun by Chris Rathman on 2/1/01; 7:17:03 AM Discuss (1 response)